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#101617: "ELO rates of unrelated players may decrease when someone exits the game"
#101617: "ELO rates of unrelated players may decrease when someone exits the game"
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• Por favor, copia e pega a mensaxe de erro que ves na túa pantalla, se houbera algún.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Por favor, explica o que querÃas facer, o que fixeche e o que pasou
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Por favor, copia/pega o texto amosado en inglés no canto do teu idioma. Se tes un pantallazo deste erro (boa práctica), podes usar Imgur.com para subilo e copiar/pegar a ligazón aquÃ.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• É este o texto dispoñible no sistema de tradución? Se é asÃ, foi traducido fai máis de 24 horas?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Por favor explica a túa suxestión de maneira precisa e concisa para que sexa o máis sinxelo posible entender o que queres dicir.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Qué habÃa na pantalla cando se quedou bloqueado? (mensaxe de erro?, pantalla en blanco?, unha parte da interface do xogo?)
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Qué parte das regras non se cumpriron na adaptación da BGA?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• é visible a violación das regras na repetición? Se o é, en que número de movemento?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Qué acción de xogo querÃas realizar?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Qué é o que tratache de facer para activar esta acción do xogo?
• Qué sucedeu cando o fixeche (a mensaxe de erro, mensaxe na barra de estado do xogo, ...)?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• En que paso do xogo ocorreu o problema (cal foi a instrucción actual do xogo)?
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Qué sucedeu cando tratache de facer unha acción de xogo (mensaxe de erro, mensaxe na barra de estado do xogo, ...)?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Por favor, describe o problema de visualización. Se tes un pantallazo deste erro (boa práctica), podes usar Imgur.com para subilo e copiar/pegar a ligazón aquÃ.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Por favor, copia/pega o texto amosado en inglés no canto do teu idioma. Se tes un pantallazo deste erro (boa práctica), podes usar Imgur.com para subilo e copiar/pegar a ligazón aquÃ.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• É este o texto dispoñible no sistema de tradución? Se é asÃ, foi traducido fai máis de 24 horas?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
• Por favor explica a túa suxestión de maneira precisa e concisa para que sexa o máis sinxelo posible entender o que queres dicir.
boardgamearena.com/table?table=429152889
As in the game above, if there is a difference in ELO rates between players, the rate of an unrelated player will decrease when someone exits the game.
This is clearly unfair and should be corrected.
Due to this specification, players with higher rates will not want to match with players with lower rates.
It reduces the chances of players playing each other.• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v117
Historial de informes
18. Out 2023 4:54 • kaien032 • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
Nothing
21. Dec 2023 17:04 • kaien032 • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
I checked a few replays and this ELO rate specification seems to be a bug that only occurs when someone exits at 100% game progress.
30. Dec 2023 11:00 • WallBuilder • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
I had this problem in a game of Agricola. I was going to win, another player timed out, and another player made them quick. I lost ELO because I tied with the two players with lower ratings
30. Dec 2023 11:01 • WallBuilder • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
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26. Feb 2024 11:20 • WallBuilder • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
This happened again here - another player quit just before the finish of the game, and I lost 9 ELO, even though I was about to win!
Agricola n°469154699
Agricola n°469154699
16. Mar 2024 11:13 • Freddy_Choppin • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
This looks like the same issue I had with a game of Wingspan: boardgamearena.com/table?table=487704894 yesterday.
A player timed out during his/her last move of the game, was kicked and even therefore first place was shared between the rest of the players including myself. Because other players had lower ELO, I ended up losing points when I otherwise would have won the game and gained ELO.
A player timed out during his/her last move of the game, was kicked and even therefore first place was shared between the rest of the players including myself. Because other players had lower ELO, I ended up losing points when I otherwise would have won the game and gained ELO.
4. Abr 2024 17:59 • DanGamesPdx • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
I've had this happen several times in space base at 100% completion
22. Abr 2024 20:16 • Phoxtrot • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
Tangential to this, I have made a suggestion about making the framework more flexible so that specific games can implement specific solutions when someone quits the game.
See boardgamearena.com/bug?id=121841
(Link to discussion thread in the suggestion report)
See boardgamearena.com/bug?id=121841
(Link to discussion thread in the suggestion report)
5. Mai 2024 13:27 • KSpooky • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
This is really annoying, can you do something about that? During last month it happened 3 times in Terraforming Mars Arena. Loosing player haven't put final greenery and eventually got dropped. My win was considered as a draw and in effect I've lost ELO and Arena points, because enemies had much lower ranking. It is not suppose to work like that. It is simply unfair.
So why not simply skip quiter turns if the game is at 90%+ progression? Or replace it with some dummy AI? Make it to never lost ELO/Arena Ranking on player drop?
So why not simply skip quiter turns if the game is at 90%+ progression? Or replace it with some dummy AI? Make it to never lost ELO/Arena Ranking on player drop?
26. Mai 2024 22:01 • Shivaware • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
This was a long-standing issue, and a few years ago, they added a lower cap so that none of the remaining players could actually lose Elo, but the remaining player with the lowest Elo would still gain Elo from everyone else. Unfortunately, when they added the power-levelling changes, the lower cap was removed and it is now possible for remaining players to lose Elo again.
The ideal solution would be to just consider it as everyone winning separate 2-player games against the person who left.
Someone suggested that already here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=109466
The ideal solution would be to just consider it as everyone winning separate 2-player games against the person who left.
Someone suggested that already here: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=109466
1. Xul 2024 10:13 • Shivaware • Esta suxestión aínda non foi analizada polos desenvolvedores:
Hmm, I wonder if this has been recently addressed.
In this game:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=528318388
I can now see a message in the "Details of ELO calculation" that says "You cannot lose ELO when a player quits the game".
If it's fixed for all games, that is a welcome change!
In this game:
boardgamearena.com/table?table=528318388
I can now see a message in the "Details of ELO calculation" that says "You cannot lose ELO when a player quits the game".
If it's fixed for all games, that is a welcome change!
3. Set 2024 15:02 • BROT42 • Esta suxestión xa foi implementada:
hello :)
thanks for reporting the issue, we noticed there was indeed a bug where if the game was quit at 100% progression (which is unexpected but still possible, although it depends on each specific game implementation, according to how it has been developed), players could lose ELO when the rating update calculation was resulting in a negative delta (for ex when a strong player was tie with a weak player, as a result of game neuteralization). this delta would normally be set min to 0, but on 100% it wasn't happening.
the issue has now been fixed as of 28th aug 2024 (see changelog boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=188266#p188266).
sorry for the troubles and thank you for your patience!
thanks for reporting the issue, we noticed there was indeed a bug where if the game was quit at 100% progression (which is unexpected but still possible, although it depends on each specific game implementation, according to how it has been developed), players could lose ELO when the rating update calculation was resulting in a negative delta (for ex when a strong player was tie with a weak player, as a result of game neuteralization). this delta would normally be set min to 0, but on 100% it wasn't happening.
the issue has now been fixed as of 28th aug 2024 (see changelog boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=188266#p188266).
sorry for the troubles and thank you for your patience!
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