#56881: "Improvements in the English strings of the game"
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• Por favor, copia e pega a mensaxe de erro que ves na túa pantalla, se houbera algún.
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
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I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
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• Por favor explica a túa suxestión de maneira precisa e concisa para que sexa o máis sinxelo posible entender o que queres dicir.
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you • Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• Qué había na pantalla cando se quedou bloqueado? (mensaxe de erro?, pantalla en blanco?, unha parte da interface do xogo?)
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you • Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• Qué parte das regras non se cumpriron na adaptación da BGA?
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
• é visible a violación das regras na repetición? Se o é, en que número de movemento?
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• Qué acción de xogo querías realizar?
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
• Qué é o que tratache de facer para activar esta acción do xogo?
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• Qué sucedeu cando o fixeche (a mensaxe de erro, mensaxe na barra de estado do xogo, ...)?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• En que paso do xogo ocorreu o problema (cal foi a instrucción actual do xogo)?
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
• Qué sucedeu cando tratache de facer unha acción de xogo (mensaxe de erro, mensaxe na barra de estado do xogo, ...)?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• Por favor, describe o problema de visualización. Se tes un pantallazo deste erro (boa práctica), podes usar Imgur.com para subilo e copiar/pegar a ligazón aquí.
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you • Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• Por favor, copia/pega o texto amosado en inglés no canto do teu idioma. Se tes un pantallazo deste erro (boa práctica), podes usar Imgur.com para subilo e copiar/pegar a ligazón aquí.
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you -
• É este o texto dispoñible no sistema de tradución? Se é así, foi traducido fai máis de 24 horas?
• Cal é o teu navegador?
Google Chrome v97
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• Por favor explica a túa suxestión de maneira precisa e concisa para que sexa o máis sinxelo posible entender o que queres dicir.
I noticed a few improvements that could be made to Klaverjassen's English strings and most of them are explained below (and I'm motivated to implement them if you agree):
For example it shouldn't be the same word when choosing the length of the game "16 rounds ? 8 rounds ?" than when we have two consecutive moments to choose the trump suit for a 'round'. But there are 'statistics' telling the "Number of takes in second round" (=No. This could be the second turn inside the current (2nd or 7th or 16th) round) or "You cannot choose the same Trump as the trump card passed in the first round"
In addition to that, some other words are used, like "Number of hands won" or "Number of hands with all tricks (Mars)" or "Player for this hand" or "Result of this hand" -> in theses cases "hand" means "round" or vice-versa
Or "Number of failed plays (Nat)" = same concept
So, before suggesting English-text modifications, I'd like to have your opinion.
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 HANDS, and a hand is divided into "2 ROUNDS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment" (<< These two words HAND + ROUND are those used in Belote and Coinche)
OR
* Should we speak of a game with 8 or 16 ROUNDS, and a round is divided into "2 TURNS (where we can choose the trump suit) and then a playing-cards moment"
OR
* something else :)
See you • Cal é o teu navegador?
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normally translations are just handled by the community, but of course for English strings it is special because all games must be developed in English first.
So if there are really errors, it would be best to fix them in the source.
As Klaverjassen is a Dutch game, this gave some challenges because there just is no fixed English terminology - if you check the wikipedia and pagat rules, you will see they also use "hand" or "round" for the same concept. And for game specific concepts like "Nat" or "Mars" there really is just nothing translatable ("Nat" would actually mean "wet" in English)
I understand your suggestion, but since the game has been released over 1,5 years now, I am reluctant to change anything in the source string - as that would mean all long validated translations have to be redone again.
But if you want to make some improvements in consistency using the English-to-English translations, that's fine by me.
I believe it would be best to keep the term HAND for a full play of all dealt cards and team scoring.
For the Trump selection phase, I really don't have a preference or any argument for one or the other term.
If you say Hand/Round are the terms used in both Belote and Coinche, it makes sense to keep them aligned as they are all card games from the same family.
Thanks and keep enjoying Klaverjassen!
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